Q and A with Jesus on Salvation (part 2)

6. Can persons guilty of objective mortal sin, who do not repent before death, be saved?

{23:34} Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them. For they know not what they do.” And truly, dividing his garments, they cast lots.

If a person commits an objectively grave sin, without full knowledge of its grave immorality and full freedom of choice, they are forgiven. It is not an actual mortal sin; it is not the type of sin that condemns to Hell.

7. Can persons guilty of actual mortal sin, who do not repent before death, be saved?

No. If the sin is truly an actual mortal sin — a gravely immoral act committed with full knowledge and full freedom of choice — AND the person does not repent before death, then they are condemned to eternal punishment.

[1 John]
{5:16} Anyone who realizes that his brother has sinned, with a sin that is not unto death, let him pray, and life shall be given to him who has sinned not unto death. There is a sin which is unto death. I am not saying that anyone should ask on behalf of that sin.
{5:17} All that is iniquity is sin. But there is a sin unto death.

{25:41} Then he shall also say, to those who will be on his left: ‘Depart from me, you accursed ones, into the eternal fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels.
{25:42} For I was hungry, and you did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and you did not give me to drink;
{25:43} I was a stranger and you did not take me in; naked, and you did not cover me; sick and in prison, and you did not visit me.’
{25:44} Then they will also answer him, saying: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to you?’
{25:45} Then he shall respond to them by saying: ‘Amen I say to you, whenever you did not do it to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.’
{25:46} And these shall go into eternal punishment, but the just shall go into eternal life.”

Those who fail to love their neighbor, fail to enter or remain in the state of grace. Their actual mortal sins of omission or commission, without repentance, condemn them to eternal punishment.

8. What happens to prenatals, infants, and little children who die without baptism?

{23:34} Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them. For they know not what they do.” And truly, dividing his garments, they cast lots.

They are not guilty of any actual mortal sin, so they are not condemned to Hell.

Pope Pius IX, in the encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, taught that no one is punished eternally, unless they have committed a deliberate sin. “Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.”

Persons who die in a state of “original sin alone” are those adults who are guilty of the actual mortal sin of omission of never having found sanctifying grace in their life, despite ample opportunity. They are like the guilty in the parable of the sheep and the goats (quoted above, Mt 25). If only they had loved their neighbor, they would have at least entered the state of grace by an implicit baptism of desire, and they would have been forgiven from all their sins by implicit perfect contrition. But only adults can be guilty of original sin alone (the actual mortal sin of omission of not obtaining sanctifying grace). Unbaptized children have not had sufficient (or any) opportunity to obtain a baptism of desire, so they are granted a baptism of blood from the Cross of Christ since “they know not what they do”.

The Magisterium has NEVER taught that prenatals, infants, and young children, who die without formal Baptism, are condemned to Hell, or to the limbo of Hell. That is an assumption never actually taught definitively by the Church. Only adults can go to the limbo of Hell, which is a place of punishment, not happiness.

{18:1} In that hour, the disciples drew near to Jesus, saying, “Whom do you consider to be greater in the kingdom of heaven?”
{18:2} And Jesus, calling to himself a little child, placed him in their midst.
{18:3} And he said: “Amen I say to you, unless you change and become like little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
{18:4} Therefore, whoever will have humbled himself like this little child, such a one is greater in the kingdom of heaven.
{18:5} And whoever shall accept one such little child in my name, accepts me.

{10:13} And they brought to him the little children, so that he might touch them. But the disciples admonished those who brought them.
{10:14} But when Jesus saw this, he took offense, and he said to them: “Allow the little ones to come to me, and do not prohibit them. For of such as these is the kingdom of God.
{10:15} Amen I say to you, whoever will not accept the kingdom of God like a little child, will not enter into it.”

Pope John Paul II: “Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all.” But unbaptized children do not have salvation concretely available to them, if they die at that young age — unless they are granted a baptism of blood, like the Holy Innocents.

{2:16} Then Herod, seeing that he had been fooled by the Magi, was very angry. And so he sent to kill all the boys who were in Bethlehem, and in all its borders, from two years of age and under, according to the time that he had learned by questioning the Magi.

These children did not willingly die for Christ, as in the case of adult martyrs. Yet they were granted salvation. Similarly, all little children who die without formal baptism are given salvation by Christ. For they are united to Christ on the Cross by their deaths.

9. Can any Pope ever lead the faithful away from the path of salvation?
10. Can the Church go astray, and lead the faithful away from the path of salvation?

{22:31} And the Lord said: “Simon, Simon! Behold, Satan has asked for you, so that he may sift you like wheat.
{22:32} But I have prayed for you, so that your faith may not fail, and so that you, once converted, may confirm your brothers.”

The faith of the Pope cannot fail, therefore he can never fall into apostasy, heresy, or schism.

“This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this See so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all, and so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine.” — First Vatican Council

{16:16} Simon Peter responded by saying, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
{16:17} And in response, Jesus said to him: “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father, who is in heaven.
{16:18} And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.
{16:19} And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound, even in heaven. And whatever you shall release on earth shall be released, even in heaven.”

The faith of the Church can never fail, therefore She can never lead the faithful away from the path of salvation, nor can the Pope, Her head on earth, lead us astray, for He has the keys to heaven and earth.

{11:49} Then one of them, named Caiaphas, since he was the high priest that year, said to them: “You do not understand anything.
{11:50} Nor do you realize that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the entire nation should not perish.”
{11:51} Yet he did not say this from himself, but since he was the high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation.

Caiaphas could teach the truth from God, despite his grave sins, because he was high priest. But the Roman Pontiff is high priest of the one true Church, which is a greater position than the high priests held in the Jewish faith. Thus, even though each successor of Peter is a sinner, some more so and others less so, each Roman Pontiff cannot teach heresy.

Ronald L. Conte Jr.
Roman Catholic theologian and translator of the Catholic Public Domain Version of the Bible.

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6 Responses to Q and A with Jesus on Salvation (part 2)

  1. domzerchi says:

    #8 I hope your theory is right, since it would handily solve a troubling dilemma, but it appears to involve connecting two different things with the phrase “is nothing other than”, like saying “an elephant is nothing other than a xylophone” or proving a mathematical theorem with “6 is nothing other than 5”.

    How do you explain this apparent non sequitur?

  2. domzerchi says:

    Or to make my question clearer and more explicit, if original sin is not, as everyone seems to think and as we were taught in school, something congenital, inherited from Adam at conception, but rather “nothing other than” the ADULT sin of omission of failing to receive the Justification that God offers (through implicit baptism of desire if in no other way), wouldn’t that solve one problem in dogmatic theology while creating a host of other problems? For example, if original sin is something acquired through a habitual sin of omission rather than inherited at conception, wouldn’t it be relatively harmless and perhaps in many cases desirable to delay baptism until, say, early elementary school age?

    • Ron Conte says:

      Your suggestion is heresy. The Council of Trent infallibly taught that original sin is inherited; it is congenital. Those who die in “original sin alone” are adults who failed to obtain at least a baptism of desire to take away original sin. And since unbaptized infants are not guilty of that sin, they are given a baptism of blood, like the holy innocents. Problem solved.

  3. domzerchi says:

    I wasn’t suggesting anything or proposing a theological theory. I am not a theologian. I was asking about your theory, which I took to be the idea that original sin is nothing but the failure by an adult to obtain at least a baptism by desire. I did not read your book, only some of your blog articles on the subject.

    Are you saying that original sin is indeed what we were taught all along–something congenital–but that all deaths of unbaptized infants, even when they die of natural causes, are cases of martyrdom? Or is it incorrect to say that baptism by blood necessarily involves martyrdom? In school we were taught that baptism of blood was obtained when someone not already baptized was martyred for Christ.

    • Ron Conte says:

      OK, you misunderstood my position, and I misunderstood what you were saying. Yes, original sin is congenital; we all inherit it. Yes, all little children who die without baptism are given a baptism of blood. They don’t need to be martyrs. The baptism of blood is much broader than we realized before. “Go out to the highways and hedges, and compel them to enter, so that my house may be filled.” (Lk 14:23).

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